This Old Marketing - News Podcast Weekly with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose (Content Marketing)

Joe and Robert open the episode with major breaking news: Disney is reportedly finalizing a $1 billion investment in OpenAI along with a licensing deal that would allow creators to use select Disney IP inside OpenAI tools.

The boys unpack what this actually means—

  • Why Disney is making this move now

  • How this could transform creator workflows

  • What Disney gets strategically vs. what OpenAI gains

  • Whether this is the first domino in a wave of entertainment–AI partnerships

The $100 Billion Battle for Warner Bros. Discovery

Next, Joe and Robert dig into the increasingly chaotic race for Warner Bros., as Paramount, Skydance, and Netflix position themselves for what could be a $100B mega-deal.
They discuss:

  • Who really has the leverage

  • Which bidder makes the most strategic sense

  • Potential antitrust concerns

  • Who stands to win (and who almost certainly loses) if this deal happens

Australia Moves to Ban Social Media for Kids Under 16

The conversation shifts to Australia’s new legislation banning social media access for children under 16. Joe and Robert debate:

  • Will it work?

  • How would it even be enforced?

  • Are governments finally becoming serious—or is this political theater?

  • What responsibility platforms have in the mental-health crisis

Special Segment: Robert’s AI Music Persona, Lyla Rae Hightower

A highlight of the episode, Robert takes listeners behind the scenes of creating his AI-powered music persona.

He details:

  • The creative spark behind the character

  • Tools and workflows he used to bring the music to life

  • Unexpected challenges in the process

  • How he’s distributing and promoting the project

  • Why this experiment signals a new frontier for creators

Spotify
 
Apple Music
 
YouTube
 
Website

Winners & Losers

  • Marketing Loser of the Week: Salesforce — Joe walks through the company’s confusing decision to consider a name change and what it signals about the brand’s broader struggles.

  • Rants & Raves: Joe ends with commentary on Kara Swisher’s reporting around Apple possibly buying Disney—and whether such a deal is even remotely plausible.

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The boys kick things off with a Black Friday breakdown and what it tells us about the K-shaped economy we now live in. Joe and Robert dig into spending trends, why some consumers are thriving while others are cutting back, and what this split means for marketers heading into 2026. They look at whether this year’s patterns are temporary or structural, and what smart brands should prepare for next.

From there, they turn to YouTube. Advertisers continue to shift budgets to the platform, and the data shows that YouTube is both the present and the future of television. Joe and Robert talk about how ultra-niche creators might be the biggest hidden opportunity for small and mid-sized brands looking to win in the influencer economy.

The final story covers X and the platform’s new “About Your Account” settings. Is it meaningful, helpful, or even newsworthy? The boys debate whether this is a real improvement or just another attempt to show activity without fixing the core issues.

Winners and Losers

Winner: Time
Joe highlights Time as an example of a legacy brand doing things right, with a renewed focus on email subscribers and a strong commitment to in-person events. A modern media model built on direct relationships, not algorithms.

Loser: Omnicom and the PR industry
Robert takes the gloves off with a critique of Omnicom and the state of PR. He questions whether the industry is adapting fast enough to the shifts in trust, media fragmentation, and brand storytelling.

Rants and Raves

Robert’s Rant
Robert digs into a recent IPG study and why he believes it misses the mark. He breaks down the assumptions behind the research and what marketers should actually pay attention to.

Joe’s Rave
Joe shares new research on gratitude and why it matters far more than most marketers realize. A positive scientific reminder that appreciation is a performance advantage, not just a personal virtue.

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Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Google’s release of Gemini 3 may be the biggest shift in search and content discovery since Google launched. In this episode, Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose break down what Gemini means for marketers, creators, and anyone relying on organic reach.

Will Gemini end organic discovery as we know it?
Will synthetic creators become the majority of all content online?
And is there still a path forward for human creators?

Joe and Robert go deep into:

  • Google’s move from traditional search to a full AI-model

  • Why this shift could make Google even more dominant

  • What happens to creators when platforms auto-generate the content

  • The new ad model emerging behind AI search

  • The long-term implications for independent writers, podcasters, and entrepreneurs

Winners & Losers:

Rants & Raves:

If you're a marketer, creator, or business owner trying to understand what’s coming next, this is a must-listen episode.

News we didn't get to:

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Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

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Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this special Thanksgiving edition of This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert dive into the future of AI and what it really means for marketers, creators, and anyone trying to build an audience in the next few years. The boys explore how long traditional marketing roles will remain intact and why we may be much closer to a tipping point than most people want to believe.

The Window Is Closing

Joe and Robert revisit a theme they’ve both been writing about lately: the shrinking window of time before AI reshapes content, distribution, and discoverability. They break down what creators and marketers can still do right now to secure their position before the landscape shifts for good.

Their take: you have a few years. Maybe less. And waiting is not a strategy.

The Real Job of the Future

In a world where AI generates nearly everything instantly, Joe and Robert ask the big question: what will the actual marketing job look like five or ten years from now?

The answer isn’t another technical role. It isn’t prompt engineering. It isn’t “AI operations.”

The position of the future is rooted in skills AI can’t replicate:

  • Being known personally by real people

  • Building in-person trust

  • Hosting gatherings, leading communities, and showing up in the real world

  • Connecting human beings to human beings

If AI floods the world with infinite content, the new scarcity becomes physical presence.

What Creators Must Do Next

The boys outline the shift every marketer and content entrepreneur must make: from chasing reach to cultivating real connections. From relying on platforms to building owned audiences. From algorithmic exposure to human relationships that cannot be automated.

This special episode is a wake-up call and a roadmap rolled into one.

Why This Matters Right Now

Thanksgiving is a time for reflection, and the episode closes with Joe and Robert reminding listeners that the next few years are arguably the most important years in the history of marketing.

AI will change everything. But it won’t replace the marketers who understand what actually makes people move, trust, and gather.

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Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The episode kicks off with a pointed look at Meta, which seems to be earning a fortune from fraudulent and scam ads. Joe and Robert trace the pattern back more than a decade…from election misinformation to repeated scandals. The question emerges: Is Meta the least ethical major player in the industry today?

This conversation naturally leads into a look at the growing AI bubble and Michael Burry’s bet against The Magnificent Ten. While his prediction may eventually play out, the boys debate why we’re likely still two years away from any real correction.

Top Stories

Meta’s Long History of Trouble

Joe and Robert walk through Meta’s pattern of behavior, including the current windfall from scam ads, reminders of past election interference issues, and the repeated failure to effectively police the platform. The bigger question: if this is systemic, where does it go from here?

The AI Bubble and Michael Burry’s Bet

The legendary investor who foretold the mortgage crisis is now shorting the biggest tech companies. The boys give context on why he might be early, what signals they’re watching, and what marketers should learn from speculative hype cycles.

Disney Spends Up…But Not Where You Think

Disney is increasing content spending, but the bulk is shifting toward live sports and in-person experiences. Joe and Robert discuss what this means for marketers and why “experiential” continues to be a long-term bet.

Coke’s AI Holiday Ad Maker Responds

The studio responsible for Coca-Cola’s AI holiday ad gives its defense. Is this just another evolution of creative tools, or are creators right to be irritated? The boys break down the nuance.

Winners and Losers

  • Joe’s Winner: Netflix House
    Smart expansion into experiential entertainment. A real signal of where media companies are headed.

  • Robert’s Loser: The end of the Farmer’s Almanac
    A long-running institution finally fades. Robert shares why this one stings and what it says about legacy content.

Rants and Raves

  • Robert’s Rant: Microsoft’s sales content
    Robert has feelings…big ones. And he shares them.

  • Joe's Commentary: Chatbot Jesus
    What could go wrong?

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This week's sponsor:

Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

This week, Joe and Robert cover three major AI stories shaping the creative and marketing landscape.

First, the guys break down the debut of Xania Monet, the first AI-powered artist to land on a Billboard chart. Is this the start of a new music era...or the beginning of the end for human creativity?

Next, they unwrap Coca-Cola’s second annual holiday AI ad. But this year, it’s not just Coke. Expect a wave of AI-generated holiday campaigns across brands. Joe and Robert debate what this means for creative differentiation and audience connection.

Finally, they analyze Bloomberry’s massive study of 180 million jobs, revealing how AI is reshaping the global workplace faster than anyone imagined. Who’s safe, who’s not, and what can marketers learn from the data?

Winners and Losers:

Rants and Raves:

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This week's sponsor:

Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

It’s another wild week in the world of marketing, media, and tech.

First up: Amazon announced yet another round of layoffs, and Joe and Robert dive into the growing trend among the Magnificent 10 companies. Are these just normal business cycles? The result of AI-driven productivity? Or signs of something deeper happening in the global economy?

Then: OpenAI is restructuring to look more like a traditional for-profit company. With Microsoft now owning 27%, the boys debate what this means for control, innovation, and the company’s future. Could OpenAI become the world’s first trillion-dollar IPO?

Next: Morning Brew acquires a YouTube show about the news — and Joe explains why this is another major example of individual creators getting their work acquired and then integrating themselves into larger organizations.

In Marketing Winners & Losers, Robert dives into K-Pop Demon Hunters, while Joe highlights Elon Musk’s Grokipedia.

And in Rants & Raves, Joe shares how email newsletters can literally get you hired, while Robert takes aim at the new WPP–Google AI partnership.


Listen to the full episode for all the analysis, tangents, and laughs you expect from Joe and Robert on This Old Marketing.

This week's sponsor:

Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

This week’s episode of This Old Marketing dives deep into the evolving world of AI, automation, and creator opportunities.

1. OpenAI’s ChatGPT Atlas: A Google Killer?
OpenAI’s latest product, ChatGPT Atlas, has some wondering if this is a direct strike at Google’s dominance in search. We break down what Atlas is, how it changes the discovery landscape, and what it means for marketers and creators.

2. AI and Robots Taking Jobs
A New York Times article reports that Amazon plans to replace over half a million jobs with robots. But the twist? The AI industry itself is facing layoffs. Meta has cut significant staff from its AI operations, according to Axios. We explore what this says about the current state — and future — of the AI economy.

3. ChatGPT to Allow Adult Erotica (for Verified Users)
OpenAI will soon allow adult-themed content for verified adults. Is this a necessary step toward realism and maturity online, or is it a PR nightmare waiting to happen? We debate whether the Internet needs true age-gating — or if this will end up being a “nothing burger,” as Robert might say.

4. Creators Take Flight — Literally
Marketing Brew reports that YouTube creators are getting their content featured on Delta Airlines flights. It’s a great marketing move — but does it signal that YouTube is becoming television? We discuss what this means for creators’ reach and brand positioning.


Marketing Winners of the Week

Raves of the Week


Listen to the full episode for all the analysis, tangents, and laughs you expect from Joe and Robert on This Old Marketing.

This week's sponsor:

Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business.

The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this episode, Joe and Robert break down the latest moves in the ongoing battle between lawmakers and social media giants. California is leading the charge with new AI and social media legislation — plus, Instagram is testing a “rating system” for content. Is this meaningful progress or just more political theater?

The guys also cover how OpenAI and Anthropic are stepping into the marketing world. OpenAI’s first ad sparks debate (is it a miss?), while Anthropic’s experiential push might have us all saying “Oh Claude.”

Winners and Losers:

  • Winner: Buc-ee’s - proving that a gas station can be a brand powerhouse.

  • Loser: Deloitte Australia - struggling to recover from credibility issues.

Rants and Raves:

Tune in for another week of marketing madness, strategic insights, and questionable football takes.

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This week's sponsor:

Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business.

The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

After celebrating 500 weeks of podcasting, Joe and Robert are back to regular programming. And this week… things get weird.

OpenAI and Meta both dropped major updates to their AI apps—releases that could either spark the next great social network or bring about the end of the internet as we know it. The guys break down what these announcements mean for creators, advertisers, and the future of “artificial content.”

In other news, Anthropic settles a $1.5 billion lawsuit that could mean payouts for authors everywhere (and a big precedent for copyright in AI).

Plus, Call Her Daddy’s Alex Cooper launches a new marketing agency that might just be the new business model for content entrepreneurs.

And YouTube rolls out auto dubbing for creators and marketers. Joe and Robert debate whether that’s a blessing or a curse.

This week’s winner: CMI’s new B2B Research Report.
This week’s loser: China’s growing propaganda machine.

Rants and Raves: A look at ABBA Voyage and MrBeast, two very different but equally fascinating examples of what happens when creativity, technology, and obsession collide.

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Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business.

The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

It’s here...the 500th episode of This Old Marketing! In this very special show, Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose take a walk down memory lane, sharing stories, clips, and predictions from across the past twelve years of the podcast. Along the way, they’re joined by some surprise guests and special videos from friends of the show.

Highlights from the Episode

  • The Beginning (Episode 1 – November 20, 2013): Joe and Robert recall the car ride that sparked the idea and how they launched the first episode in less than two weeks. Hear the original introduction, plus proof that football talk has always been part of the show’s DNA.

  • Episode 100 (October 12, 2015): Reflections on content marketing trends a decade ago, from the rise of content brands to the great terminology debate. Joe predicts the rise of the walled gardens, Robert envisions marketing’s shift toward experiences, and both make some bold (and hilarious) calls about Apple, Disney, and Twitter.

  • Episode 200 (September 11, 2017): A nostalgic milestone filled with clips, insights on audience building, and predictions around Facebook’s billion-dollar content push. Highlights include Robert’s reflections on the value of audience and the duo’s “can’t believe we made it this far” moment.

  • Episode 211 (December 11, 2017): The original “finale” - Joe and Robert answer listener questions, quiz each other, and close out what they thought was the end of the journey.

  • Episode 212 (July 15, 2019): The “Genesis Planet” comeback episode after 577 days away. Joe and Robert return in full stride, proving the magic never left.

  • Episode 300 (December 3, 2021): The first video podcast, featuring a special musical intro from Gary Busey. Predictions fly about Web 3.0, tokenization, the metaverse, and the future of “rented land.” Plus, cocktails, personal reflections, and football banter.

  • Episode 400 (November 3, 2023): “AI & the Melting of Truth” marks another milestone with big conversations around AI, search, and Disney’s media moves. A clip on Google’s AI results shows just how much the world has shifted.

Special Surprises

  • A video greeting from filmmaker Kevin Smith

  • A montage of messages from listeners and friends of the show. Thank you to A. Lee Judge, Bert Van Loon, Brian Piper, Cathy & Bridget McPhillips, Fernando Labastida, JK Kalinowski, Katie Brinkley, Maliha Khan, Paul Roetzer and Ruth Carter.

  • A heartfelt video from author and speaker Andrew Davis

Rants & Raves

Yes, even in this celebratory episode, Joe and Robert can’t resist a few choice rants and raves. (You’ll just have to listen in!)


Thank you for being part of 500 weeks of This Old Marketing. We couldn’t have done it without you. Here’s to the next chapter!

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Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business.

The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In the final show before the big 500 extravaganza, Joe and Robert discuss why individual creators are slowly taking over Hollywood — and whether there are opportunities for brands in this shift.

Winners and Losers:

Rants and Raves:

And don’t miss our special #500 episode next week.

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This week's sponsor:

Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data?

That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out.

Point is, you miss a lot.

Unless you use HubSpot.

Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business.

The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference.

Because when you know more, you grow more.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ 
Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/

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No, TikTok does not stop. Maybe the fourth time is the charm, as Robert and Joe run through the latest with the TikTok “staying or going” drama. Get all the latest on the changes, although it might be a big nothing burger.
Link to more: U.S.-China Deal to Avert TikTok Ban May be Close, Trump Official Says - The New York Times

YouTube makes a strong case that they are integral to the US economy. With $100 billion going to creators, new and improved creation features, and an all-in-one create and distribute scenario, it seems like everything we want. Or is it?
Links to more: YouTube AI likeness detection and creator tools - The Wrap
Made on YouTube 2025 - Official Blog

Albania has become the first country in the world to appoint an AI minister. Joe contends this is just the beginning.
Link to more: Albania appoints world’s first AI-made minister – POLITICO

Special thanks to Jared Luttjeboer for his question on video vs. audio podcasting. Learn more about Jared’s work here: The Church History Project Podcast

Marketing winners and losers include:

Rants and raves include:

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

This week, Joe and Robert dig into the Reddit phenomenon. Leading in AI findability (AEO) and trusted by geeks everywhere, the platform is having its coming-out moment. Is it time to ride the marketing train to Reddit town?
Here’s why Reddit marketing could be your next big business move

OpenAI wants to make a full-length animated movie that isn’t AI slop. Can they pull it off, or is this just a content marketing play? (Hint: the latter.)
OpenAI wants to make an AI movie that isn’t slop

Meanwhile, the team at Robinhood is rolling out a new social media app. But is now the right time for another platform?
Reddit, X get new rival with Robinhood Social's launch

Marketing winners and losers this week include Liquid Death (Yahoo Can Coolers – Liquid Death) and Ben & Jerry’s (Ben & Jerry's founders want to scoop out their brand).

Rants and raves feature the AI-driven destruction of the career ladder (AI isn't just ending entry-level jobs. It's ending the career ladder) and LinkedIn’s latest analytics upgrade (Post | LinkedIn).

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Point is, you miss a lot.

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Because when you know more, you grow more.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The marketing news of the week:

A federal judge has ordered a shakeup of Google’s search engine. Some call it a slap on the wrist, but it’s clear even the courts see Google’s dominance slipping. With AI search and new competitors on the rise, will Google’s empire burn down?
-- Judge orders search shakeup in Google monopoly case | PBS News

Meanwhile, the so-called “marketing AI boom” is running headfirst into a crisis of customer trust. But do people really care about privacy, or is it just talk? Joe and Robert debate whether it matters at all.
-- Marketing AI boom faces crisis of consumer trust

Winners and Losers: Creators landing SNL deals (Creators Take Over SNL 🌜), and the curious case of why one agency made an indie short film.

Rants and Raves: A content strategist for ChatGPT raises eyebrows, and the surprising death of VOA.

And to wrap things up: our annual NFL predictions. Who’s taking home the Lombardi Trophy this year?

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Because when you know more, you grow more.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

This week on the podcast, Joe and Robert break down the big takeaways from Content Entrepreneur Expo (CEX):

  • The future of human content vs. AI content and why this tension may define the next decade.

  • Why leaning into your “crazy” could be the smartest business move you’ll ever make.

  • The rise of new search metrics and how they’re quietly reshaping the creator landscape.

Marketing news this week:

  • Cracker Barrel’s Logo Backlash – A nostalgic flip-flop for the ages. Was this a brilliant PR stunt, or a brand fumble that shows just how powerful memory and meaning are?
    CBS News | Ad Age

  • Perplexity’s Publisher Program – 80% of ad revenue promised to creators. But is this really a fair shake, or just another platform mirage?
    Digiday

Marketing losers of the week:

  • A troubling study on gambling ads saturating sports broadcasts
    The Guardian

  • The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ends its print edition.

And in rants and raves:

  • AI ad networks invade ChatGPT – the future of monetization or the end of trust? [Ad Age]

  • The strange, hilarious world of a print newspaper… from Uranus Fudge.

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When they started, data was housed across multiple systems.

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The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Are we entering a new golden age of content marketing? In this week’s This Old Marketing, Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose dig into why the industry feels more alive than ever and what this resurgence means for brands and creators alike.

The Big Stories:

  • When Hollywood Hits the Break Room: A credit-card company launches a sitcom (Roomies) that blurs the line between branded content and binge-worthy entertainment. Read more →

  • From Tackles to Talk Shows: The NFL’s Broadcast Boot Camp trains players to pivot from pads to teleprompters. Is this a new playbook for employee-driven media? Read more →

  • Redline, Red Flag: Creators push back on restrictive contracts, but many brands are saying “no edits allowed.” What does this mean for the creator–brand relationship? Read more →

Marketing Winners of the Week:

  • Taylor Swift (once again setting the standard for creator-driven marketing)

  • MSNBC’s bold rebrand

  • Billy Joel (yes, he’s still moving the needle)

Rants & Raves:

  • A surprising return to print media: why it may be smarter than you think

  • A deeper dive into the true meaning of “rented land” in today’s marketing mix

Key Takeaway:
Content marketing isn’t just back. It’s maturing into a stronger, more essential discipline. Brands and creators who double down on owned media, storytelling, and consistency will be the ones who thrive in this new golden age.

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This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 8:15am EST

Big news in the tech and marketing world this week.

AI search leader Perplexity stunned the industry with a $34 billion offer to buy Google Chrome. Is this just a headline-grabbing PR stunt… or could it actually give Google a way out of its ongoing antitrust mess?

Meanwhile, OpenAI is scrambling to turn lemons into lemonade after the botched ChatGPT-5 launch. Did they completely miss the mark with their audience, or has their technology hit a temporary wall — giving Google, Anthropic, X, and others a window to catch up?

Over on YouTube, creators who target children are sounding alarms over the platform’s new age verification and machine learning plan, which goes into effect this week. Many fear it could hurt discoverability and revenue.

Marketing Winners this week include Marketing AI Institute and the sweet, unexpected Oreos/Reese’s mashup.

Rants and Raves feature the surprisingly catchy Hampton Jitney Bus Song and a look at the Wall Street Journal/McKinsey partnership.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 10:20am EST

The boys are back (and better than ever) with a brand-new episode on what influencer marketing will look like soon (including AI).

In this episode, they break down the new deal between ESPN and the NFL. Does this partnership signal new opportunities for brands and content marketing deals in the near future?

YouTube announced that it will begin testing a new AI feature designed to estimate whether a user is a minor...regardless of the birthday listed on the account. Some creators fear it will hurt business, while others worry that large organizations and institutions will use the data in nefarious ways.

Winners and losers include the future of influencer marketing, the Savannah Bananas, American Eagle, Sydney Sweeney, and Vogue.

Rants and raves feature CMOs uncovering a new trend in influencer strategy—and Superman.

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This week's links:

ESPN to buy NFL Network

How YouTube Age Verification Could Hurt the Creator Economy

What MLB Can Learn from the Savannah Bananas?

Mentions of Creator Economy on CMO Calls

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This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

This is the last special solo episode for a while. Thankfully, Robert and Joe will be back next week to make nonsense about marketing and content news. But today’s episode is something a little different.

In 1937, Napoleon Hill wrote Think and Grow Rich. His ideas about belief, desire, and persistence changed lives—Joe's included.

Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, is his answer to what Think and Grow Rich would look like today. It's not just about financial wealth...it's about freedom. Mental freedom. Physical health. Time freedom. It’s the book Joe wanted his kids to have…the book that they could share with their kids about living a life of purpose.

This episode of This Old Marketing is about how to build a platform strong enough to carry the weight of your dreams.

Six months ago, Joe was 20 pounds heavier. He felt foggy, sluggish, reactive. He was still productive, sure...but didn’t feel sharp. He didn’t feel like he was operating at his best. And he decided that wasn’t okay anymore.

Many of you know this, but Joe's family has a history of Alzheimer’s as well. He always thought he was relegated to this fate and there was nothing he could do. Joe's since found there are many things he can do to build a better brain (if you will), so that he can live a better life and be around, in all forms, for his kids and their kids, in addition to living a life of freedom (which we’ll discuss).

So he made some changes. Not radical ones. Just simple, consistent ones. And Joe wants to share them with you—not as a health expert, but as a creator who realized that if your body and brain break down, your business doesn’t stand a chance.

Let’s get into it.

 

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This week's links:

Americans Check Phone 144 Times Per Day

The Cost of Multitasking

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Angel City Football Club did it with a little help from HubSpot.

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This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this solo episode of This Old Marketing, Robert dives headfirst into the uncomfortable - and increasingly urgent - tension at the heart of modern content strategy:

Can we still create truly human content, full of nuance, voice, and emotional honesty… while also making sure the machines don’t misinterpret (or mangle) what we mean?

Inspired by the announced end of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Robert explores how the final stretch of a show - or a career, or even a blog archive - can shape both public perception and machine learning for years to come.

This week Robert covers:

Why “good” content now means craft, not just output.

The shift from writing for search engines to teaching AI what to say about you.

The danger (and opportunity) of legacy content becoming training data.

A new strategy for structuring content that serves both people and machines.

Four practical steps you can take right now to future-proof your brand’s voice.

Oh - and Joe’s out this week, off pitching new names for the Guardians and Commanders to the Trump administration. Don’t worry. Robert’s got it handled.

Tune in, laugh a little, squirm a little, and leave with a renewed sense of purpose—and a checklist.

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Angel City Football Club did it with a little help from HubSpot.

When they started, data was housed across multiple systems.

HubSpot unified their website, email marketing, and fan experience in one platform.

This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Get ready for this special episode that you needed to hear years ago.

Let me say this plainly: Working for someone else is the riskiest thing you can do right now.

For decades, we believed that a "good job" was the ultimate security.
A steady paycheck.
Healthcare.
Maybe a 401(k) with a match.

But that model is falling apart in real time.

I’ve seen this from the inside. I’ve been the employee. I’ve been the boss. I’ve been the guy who signed the layoff papers. When I was at Penton we went through three rounds of layoffs in 18 months and it was devastating for everyone involved. And this continues today but at breakneck speed. Here’s the truth: no job is safe anymore...especially in marketing.

AI is replacing entry-level marketers faster than we can track. Some agencies I know are in desperation mode. The only advice brand marketing teams get is to lean more into AI. Is that even the right strategy? And executive teams still don’t understand what content actually does...until they decide it’s too expensive (even thought it’s not) and cut it.

Here’s the harsh truth: Most people following the “good job, good life” blueprint are broke, stressed, unfulfilled, and trapped.

The old dream isn’t dead because people stopped working hard. It’s dead because the game changed and nobody updated the playbook.

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This week's links:

Dallas Cowboys NOT America's Team

Joe Pulizzi's New Book "Burn the Playbook" Pre-Order

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Angel City Football Club did it with a little help from HubSpot.

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This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

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This week Robert flies solo (Joe’s busy revolutionizing dairy on the blockchain) to ask a question: 

What if slower is the new smarter?

After riffing on OpenAI’s burnout‑induced shutdown, he unveils a sneak peek of his upcoming book, Valuable Friction. From Netflix’s “Skip Intro” button to AI‑generated sameness, Robert shows how our obsession with frictionless everything is draining the meaning out of marketing...and life.

Tune in for the four kinds of friction that sharpen ideas, deepen relationships, steady operations, and save you from knee‑jerk strategy. No co‑host, no fast‑forward, just 100 percent Robert. Press play, don’t skip the intro, and discover why a little resistance might be your brand’s unfair advantage.

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Angel City Football Club did it with a little help from HubSpot.

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HubSpot unified their website, email marketing, and fan experience in one platform.

This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

After a quick cover of the Cloudflare news where it will be possible to select and make money from AI companies crawling your site, Joe and Robert dive into marketing plan B.

Specifically - 

The New Normal: Why Everyone Needs a Personal Brand (Even If You’re Not Selling Anything)

The collapse of the idea that a job = stability.
From creators to CMOs: why everyone needs visibility.
The difference between self-promotion and self-preservation.
Hot take: You’re always in stealth mode for your next job (even if you don’t know it yet).

And...Content as Career Insurance: Best Practices for Building Your Brand
What platforms actually matter (and which ones are dead weight)?

Where to start?

We have the answers in this episode.

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This week's links:

Cloudflare Launches AI Marketplace

Paramount Settles Trump Case

Joe's Newsletter Post on Freedom

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Angel City Football Club did it with a little help from HubSpot.

When they started, data was housed across multiple systems.

HubSpot unified their website, email marketing, and fan experience in one platform.

This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

AI hits the headlines again. Anthropic wins a lawsuit for its training data procedures, but the judge leaves room for additional lawsuits. In the greater scheme, will any of the lawsuits really matter?

John Oliver's AI Slop video is "must-see-TV" and AI content continues to become a bigger part of our lives in content creation and marketing. What do we need to do?

And Zohran Mamdani wins the Democratic nomination for mayor in New York, outlasting the big money players through a Gen Z-focused approach. What can we learn from this and will we see more?

Winners and losers include Mumford & Sons and Intel dropping marketing as a core function.

Rants and raves include Voice of America and the LinkedIn Ballad.

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This week's links:

Anthropic Wins Case

AI Slop and John Oliver

Mamdani Takes New York Nomination with TikTok

VOA's Iran Mess

Mumford & Sons Membership Pass

Intel Outsources Marketing to Accenture

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Huge research uncovers the obvious. Television and "traditional media" is going obsolete, as social media revenues and watch/listen time dominates. It is indeed the end of the living room. The boys review reports from WPP and NiemenLab.

In marketing winners, Terry Moran launches a substack after being fired. But shouldn't he have had one already? Contractual reasons aside, the boys detail a marketing/creator survival plan that's not just a nice to have.

Rants and raves include Answer Engine Optimization Hype and the GENIUS act.

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This week's links:

Creators Overtake Traditional Media

The Brand/Studio Line Blurs

Social Media Overtakes TV

Ads on Whatsapp

Terry Moran Launches Substack

Journalist Survival Plan

Genius Act Progress

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Joe and Robert break down Mary Meeker's "Future of AI" report and discuss the biggest opportunities and threats for marketers and creators in the future.

Disney sues Midjourney in yet another lawsuit against AI companies. When will it stop and why should we care?

And Meta invests $15 billion more in AI, trying to catch up in the AI race.

In winners and losers, Joe discusses how to get found in AI searches and Robert talks about the failed mainstream media with the LA coverage.

Rants and raves include a new creator economy lobbying group from MatPat and a boost to musical theater.

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This week's links:

Disney Sues Midjourney

The Future of AI Report

Meta Makes $15 Billion Bet on AGI

How to Get Found in AI Search [Chart]

MatPat Starts Creator Caucus

Live Theater Gets a Boost

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Did someone say McDonald's is bringing back snack wraps?

In other news, who knew that artificial intelligence would force brands and publishers toward an indie-creator model? If Google AI is undermining journalism, perhaps the way out is through the individual human creator.

In another AI scandal, Builder.ai collapses, even with a large sum of money invested by Microsoft.

And Netflix adds advertising to its IP. Good decision?

Winners and losers include Ohio Bike Week and ELF/Hailey Bieber.

Rants and raves include WaPo's new mission statement and the new NYTimes lawsuit against ChatGPT.

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Google AI Mode Undermining Journalism

Builder.ai Collapses

Netflix Adds Ad Tech

Chain Restaurants Go Nostalgia

ELF Buys Rhode

WaPo's New Mission Statement

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

AI is again in the headlines this week with Anthropic announcing that its AI will do anything to survive...even bust you for cheating on your wife.

AI layoffs are starting to hit home. It's almost to the point that people are being laid off "by" AI itself. Joe and Robert uncover the truth.

Rand Fishkin discusses 10 ways to understand no-click search...and it's mostly stuff we can actually do.

And long live print, as Microsoft launches a new print publication.

Winners and losers include LinkedIn commenting and Duolingo.

Rants and raves include the new Bitcoin treasury fad and AI Agent pitch decks.

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This week's links:

Anthropic AI Resorts to Blackmail

AI Layoffs Are Here

The End of Website Traffic

Print is Dead. Long Live Print.

Duolingo CEO Retraces AI Announcement

Businesses Go On Bitcoin Buying Spree

The AI Agent Pitch Deck

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Google's big marketing event was an explosion of AI - a new home screen, more agents, AI video and even smart bidding. Why? Google's main revenue stream (search ads) is in big trouble. 

Is Google going the way of the yellow pages? The boys ponder.

And Apple is in trouble too. OpenAI buys IO, run by the designer behind the iPhone. It seems that OpenAI is going into the hardware business, with their sights directly on Apple.

In other news, a major newspaper releases the books of the year without real books and Netflix steps in to syndicate Sesame Street.

Winners and losers include a furniture store and Peloton.

Rants and raves include AI use by writers and the idea of growth marketing.

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Google Marketing Live

Major Newspaper Creates Fake Books

Netflix to Syndicate Sesame Street

OpenAI Buys IO

Peloton Dumps CMO

AI Writing and Author Tribes

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys have finally jumped the shark with this episode.

But first, Mark Zuckerberg declares war on the advertising industry. Meta's AI Do-It-Yourself tool will either win big or be fly by night. There is no middle ground.

The BBC will push its mission and content into TikTok and Instagram. But is it too late to fight disinformation?

Max becomes HBO Max (again). It will be just HBO in 15 to 18 months.

Marketing winners are Nutter Butter and Warner Brothers.

Rants and commentary include AEO and Sperm Racing (yep...you saw that right).

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This week's links:

Zuckerberg's War on Advertising

BBC Boss Goes for Truth

Max Rebrands Again

Nutter Butter Explodes

Warner Brothers and Leveraging IP

Weird Sperm Racing

AEO Dumb or Crazy Smart

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Buckle up! AI is driving now.

Zuckerberg at Meta AI doubles down on their cure for loneliness and more friends, but have taken out any sort of safety precautions. We need to be worried. Very worried.

Trump wants to tariff the movie business. Tell me exactly how that would work please?

And Virginia signs a social media scrolling reduction that won't reduce scrolling.

Winners and losers include LEGO and Warren Buffett.

Rants and raves include Disney's new park and the White House social media effort.

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Zuckerberg and Meta AI

Trump Tariffs and Hollywood

Virginia Law on Social Media

Warren Buffett Retires

LEGO and F1 Racing

Trump Social Media Strategy

Disney's New Park

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Special episode breaking down the state of content creators, content entrepreneurs and how marketers fit in. Including:

  • The Rise of Creators in 2025
  • Renting vs. Owning
  • The TikTok Effect
  • Community as Currency
  • Revenue Mix
  • How to Get Rich as a Creator

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

As Tariffs hang over the US Advertising industry, more companies start to look internal. That means internal communications, internal influencers, owned media and more. Could Trump's Tariffs be a boon for content marketers?

Google loses their online advertising monopoly case. The boys put on their prediction hats to let you know what will happen.

A judge has blocked the termination of VOA. But is it too late? Joe thinks it is.

And Ryan Coogler's movie deal gives marketers and creators a lot to think about.

Winners and losers include the American people and Diary of a CEO podcast.

Rants and raves include Google's cookies and the uber wealthy.

This week's links:

Google Loses Case

Tariffs Crush Ad Market

Judge Blocks VOA Halt

Coogler's Movie Deal

America Gives Up on Fact Checking

DOAC Turns Down Big Deals

America's Riches Households Have Banner Year

Google Keeps Cookies

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys are back with news that OpenAI (led by Sam Altman) is considering a social media platform that may compete with Elon's Twitter/X. Let's face it...we know what this is really about. Joe and Robert bring it home for you.

META's big lawsuit with the FTC gets started. Did Zuckerberg grease the skids enough to get this one through?

Creator Economy jobs (aka content marketing) are up, up, up. Why is that?

And the top Gen AI use cases don't involve marketing.

Marketing winners and losers include databases and Twinkies.

Rants and raves include Superman and faith-based billboards.

This week's links:

META's FTC Case Starts

OpenAI to Launch Social Platform?

Creator Economy Jobs on the Up

Top Gen AI Use Cases

Twinkies Goes 420

The Summer of Superman

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Has AI finally killed search? Does Google even matter anymore? Must we now build our content on rented land?

The boys go through each of these questions and talk about if "do not build your house on rented land" is still a thing.

In other news, the TikTok deal is delayed (again).

In marketing winners and losers, Joe takes on the Catholic church while Robert gushes over Duolingo.

Rants and raves includes London's takedown of Leon, while the Shopify CEO tells employees to do an AI check.

This week's links:

Trump Delays TikTok (again)

Big Search Shift (Google)

Push to Rented Land?

Duolingo for the Win

Catholic Church Needs a Change

Shopify CEO Stokes AI Flames

London Taking Down Telsa with Ads

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Possibly our dumbest episode yet.

Joe and Robert go deep into the dumbery to try to make sense of an incredibly weird (and dumb) week.

TikTok is for sale. No it's not. Maybe it is. Will we know this week?

Elon Musk merges his two companies into one, creating the dumbest valuation in the history of corporate mergers.

And META's AI steals a bunch of copyrighted books. Heck, they've probably already stolen this podcast.

Marketing losers include vibe marketing and Hooters.

Raves and commentary include Gartner and Chris Ross and how the tariffs will affect marketing spending.

This week's links:

Amazon Interested in TikTok

TikTok Looming Deadline

Elon's Merger Is Dumb

META Steals Copyrighted Books

Ghibli Effect Takes Over ChatGPT

Hooters Bankruptcy

Chris Ross from Gartner

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

A very special episode on what makes a successful content marketer or content creator. Robert and Joe talk about what works today to successfully build and monetize an audience with these five keys.

1. For marketers, setting a clear goal up front - sales, savings or sunshine and then find a measurement tool that aligns with current corporate measurement. From the creator side, what's my goal? You exit at the beginning.

2. What's the show for your particular audience AND is it consistent AND is it (or will it be) indispensable? To the point - do I have a tilt that is unique, interesting AND attracts financial support?

3. Build audience like crazy at the start and try not to sell anything...or sell just one thing. Put 1/3 time into the content and two-thirds into promotion.

4. Considering everything, we'd lean toward a video podcast series, which takes advantage of all the social video and the cost effectiveness of podcasts. Then we'd have some kind of email deliverable, at least to get the data...but ultimately a newsletter.

5. Create THE LIST of good and bad things you do/want to do. Develop a stopping list.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

New data suggests that advertising growth is slowing. Overall marketing is soon to follow. Will the current political environment drive us into a marketing recession?

Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei proclaims that AI will take over all coding in the next year. Robert takes offense and the boys talk about the reasons these types of proclamations are made.

And is AI slop a brute force attack on the major platforms? The point? AI content is taking over YouTube, TikTok and Facebook and the platforms simply don't care.

Marketing losers are Unilever and the NFL.

Rants are the AI-ification of press and the killing of Voice of America.

This week's links:

Ad Growth Slows

Anthropic CEO Predicts AI Coding Takeover

AI Slop Is Non-Stop

Unilever's Big Mistake

Adobe and AI Agents

The Death of Voice of America

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys are back and the buys are heating up.

Food-delivery startup Wonder purchased Tastemade, now boasting content creation to meal preparation to delivery all in one. Is more on the way? We think so.

Spotify paid $5 billion dollars to indie creators last year. Is it better to go outside the labels than sign with a big agency?

And Unilever ups their social media budget to 30 to 50 percent of total marketing budget...all for targeted local influencers. But did they forget about employees?

Marketing winners and losers include Southwest Airlines and CMO tenure.

Rants and raves include Substack and shadow AI.

This week's links:

Spotify Pays the Indies

Are Big Music Labels Valuable?

Wonder Acquires Tastemade

Unilever Doubles Down on Influencers

CMO Tenure Study

Shadow AI

Brands Are Launching Substacks

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys are back with commentary on the death of media. It's a sad case on both political spectrum. And the opportunity in the future belongs to non-media brands. Let's see what happens.

In other news, more and more creators are going full AI. How close is it to real, or does that even matter?

Marketing winners and losers include Disney and Trump's Gold card.

Rants and raves include travel within the US and Meta testing out agents in advertising.

This week's links:

The Media's Credibility Has Bottomed

Creators Are Now Going Full AI

Disney Starts Killing Off News Media

Trump's Gold Card

Meta Testing AI Agents for Business Ads

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys kick off the show with Dow Jones news and their AI content marketplace of 5,000 publishers. The real news? Vertical content opportunities using proprietary LLMs may ultimately steal the show for B2B content creators.

Differentiation is the key coming from B2B speakers at a recent marketing event. The move from company creators to individuals is in full force.

And is Substack the new Instagram for smaller creators?

Winners and losers include bars in Key West, Levi's and UTC.

Rants and raves include MSNBC's big shift, Jeff Bezos, X and Forrester.

This week's links:

Dow Jones and Content Marketplace

B2BMX Speaker Highlights

Is Substack the New Instagram?

Levi's and Nostalgia

UTC Expands Marketing Division

Jeff Bezos New WaPo Moves

How to Use X Advertising By Forrester

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Reddit announced quarterly results and the stock got hammered. Is Google's changing algorithm to blame? And, if it is, could Google be primed to acquire the 9th largest website on the planet?

In other news, episodic video programs and shows are getting more opportunities for syndication. But with so many shows out there, should brands look at partnering with a creator before creating their own content?

Winners and losers include Allstate and Kai Cenat.

Rants and raves include the Associated Press and Major League Baseball.

This week's links:

Reddit's Growth Problems

Create a Series Is the New Mandate

AI and Allstate

Kai Cenat to Launch Streaming University

MLB Trying Out Robo Umpires

The AP and Trump

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Our Super Bowl predictions were dead on, as Joe predicted an Eagles win and Robert predicted a Kendrick Lamar controversy.

But more importantly, who were the advertising winners and losers? And...is the Super Bowl the last remaining moment where everyone comes together to watch television at the same time?

In other news, BuzzFeed launches a social media network called BF Island. We already predict extinction. And do paywalls work? They do...sort of.

Marketing winners include partnerships and ChatGPT.

Rants and raves include the end of book blurbs and Welch's content marketing.

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This week's news links:

Big Ratings Win for Super Bowl

Super Bowl Ad Winners

BuzzFeed Launches Social Media App

The Paywall Dilemma

OpenAI's Super Bowl Ad

Welches Content Marketing

The End of Blurbs

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

It's Super Bowl week and the boys make their predictions.

Speaking of the Super Bowl, the boys talk about the ads, the value, and what a Super Bowl ad truly costs. And...will there be any winners?

Robert does a comparison between OpenAI's deep research and the corresponding Google product. Which one is better and what should marketers do?

Winners and losers include Nielsen and Hertz communications.

Rants and raves include AMO and Trump Coin.

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Super Bowl Winners

Deep Research Next Big OpenAI Move

Influencer Marketing Rises

Cable News as We Know It

Nielsen Ends Panels

Trump Coin Rug Pull

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Man you cappin'. This week, DeepSeek shocks the AI industry (and the world) with its cheaper more efficient model. What comes next for the industry?

The buyers line up for TikTok, but is the US Government playing favorites?

And Substack is paying cash for TikTok creators to make the switch.

Marketing winners include Timothee Chalamet and the TGL golf league.

Rants and raves include Chris Sacca (on the Tim Ferriss pod), creating moments, and the return of Nike.

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This week's news links:

The Real DeepSeek

Why Is Everyone Freaking Out Over DeepSeek?

Trump, TikTok and Socialism

White House In Talks with Oracle

Substack Paying $20 Million

The TGL Golf League

Chalamet Goes Gorilla

Chris Sacca on Tim Ferriss

Nike's Destruction

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys return with a cornucopia of news. 

TikTok returns (or did it?). We discuss what is really going on with the Chinese-owned app, whether a US company will buy them, and which one actually will.

In other news, Instagram is throwing money at creators (but needs a real model), while META goes from moderated news to community news (but not for ads).

In winners and losers, Edelman is out with their Trust Barometer, and Andrew Ross Sorkin has tomorrow's media model.

In rants and raves, Anthropic's CEO predicts the future and the only good news coverage of the LA fires was local.

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This week's news links:

The TikTok Ban Update

China Comments on TikTok Ownership

RedNote

Instagram Throws Money

Meta Announces Community Notes

Meta's Community Notes Don't Include Ads

Edelman Trust Barometer

Prof G with Andrew Ross Sorkin

Inside Anthropic's AI Race

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys go through six different ways that content marketing professionals can be "content marketing meh" in 2025. They include:

  • Create content on more than three platforms
  • Create content in a highly competitive area
  • Lean heavily into AI tools to create content
  • Put all your influence efforts into finding external influencers and none on building internal influence
  • Focus on making sure your tech stack is bulletproof and pour more time and effort into making things automated
  • Brand Schmand you should really focus on lead gen….

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

META's plan to unleash AI Bots onto their social media sites is just a first step into the majority of the content we engage with being synthetic. The boys have more thoughts on this.

How involved will Elon be with TikTok's future?

More works are headed to the public domain, including Popeye and TinTin. Is there an opportunity for brands here?

Finally, the boys discuss the fastest growing marketing roles.

Winners and losers include AI-free and NFL red zone.

Rants and raves include the Michael Lewis podcast and Pornhub.

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This week's links:

TikTok's CEO and Elon Talk

Popeye and TinTin to Public Domain

Meta's Plan to Unleash AI Bots

Fastest Growing Marketing Roles

Greg Isenberg's AI Predictions

NFL Red Zone and Commercials

Against the Rules Podcast

Pornhub Blocked in South

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

A very special This Old Marketing Predictions' episode.

Not only do we cover our 2025 predictions of:

  • Where will Bluesky Be?
  • The Future of X
  • X Buys Truth Social
  • GENAI Stumbles
  • Four (4) Trillion Dollars Companies in 2025
  • The 2025 Disease We All Saw Coming
  • TikTok Will Not Be Banned
  • The Donald Trump Presidency
  • The Failure of Podcasts

But we review our 2024 predictions as well as our NFL season-review predictions.

How did we score? Listen to find out.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

As we head into 2025, we look back on the crazy year that was 2024. What did we learn? What were the major marketing and life trends?

Topics include:

  • Going after that shiny (AI) object.
  • Podcasts and can they even be successful anymore.
  • Forgiveness in 2024
  • Forget influencers. Invest in your creators.

And many more. You don't want to miss this special episode.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

This week we break down Pew research on the Big Four in social media as it pertains to the youth of America. You may be surprised which four platforms they are...and...are you there?

We look at the opportunities and challenges ahead.

What are the most overhyped marketing strategies for 2024? I bet you can guess number one.

Winners and losers include the Pivot podcast and McKinsey.

Rants and raves include the OpenAI Santa and Sesame Street.

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This week's links:

Teen Social Media Research from Pew

The Most Overhyped Marketing Strategies of 2024

Content Creators Find a Place in Newsrooms

Pivot's New Deal

McKinsey Pays

OpenAI and Santa Mode

MAX Kills Sesame Street

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The first ever This Old Marketing where both Robert and Joe are NOT recording at the same time. If anything, you'll get a kick out of this episode for that reason.

TikTok is in the news again. Does the impending ban and their emergency motion mean anything at all?

Ad giant Omnicom merges with Interpublic in a $13 billion dollar deal.

And OpenAI releases Sora, increasing the fight over generative AI video.

Winners and losers include print catalogs and the Starbucks origin story.

Rants and raves include an article from The Australian and the idea of change in content marketing.

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This week's links:

TikTok Files Emergency Motion

Ad Giant Omnicom's Big Deal

OpenAI Releases Sora

Print Catalogs on the Rise

Il Giornale and Starbucks Mission Letter

Can Businesses Build Human-Centric Tech?

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys are back with a regular episode this week!

In big social media news, the Australian government plans to ban social media for children 16 or under. Could this actually work or is this a bluff?

Black Friday is bigger than ever, with TikTok showing its retail teeth. Could TikTok actually be Amazon's biggest competitor?

And Bluesky continues to hit on all cylinders. But will it last?

Marketing winners include direct book sales and Jaguar.

Rants and raves include ChatGPT for travel and the Elvis documentary.

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This week's links:

Australia to Ban Social Media

Black Friday Hits Record

Is TikTok Ready to Take on Amazon?

What is Bluesky?

Hat's off to Jaguar

Louis Grenier's Book Launch Plan

The Taylor Swift Direct Model

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Another very special episode of This Old Marketing...this time, without Robert Rose. Yes...this episode features Joe Pulizzi talking about unconventional content marketing strategies for 2025.

Joe discusses how to leverage ChatGPT for persona building, treating employees as creators, leveraging more email and physical events, a big yes to print and much, much more.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

A special This Old Marketing podcast episode featuring the one and only Robert Rose (with no Joe Pulizzi). 

In this special solo episode, Robert takes a deep dive into the state of marketing as we approach the end of 2024. As marketers, we’ve spent the last 25 years adapting to paradigm-shifting technologies — from the internet and social media to mobile computing. But now, we’re navigating the latest disruptor: Generative AI.

Robert explores the concept of "Valuable Friction," the deliberate resistance that slows us down, fostering critical thinking and creativity. In an industry obsessed with efficiency and automation, are we losing the joy and creativity that make marketing truly impactful? This episode challenges the status quo and asks: Are we outsourcing our human spark to technology, or are we using it to amplify our creative potential?

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this special episode Robert and Joe ask each other four secret questions.

The answers will surprise you. The boys cover investing, travel, biggest regrets, bigger dreams and what's next in marketing and beyond.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys do a debrief of why Donald Trump beat Kamala Harris in the 2024 Presidential election. We can talk policies and character, but it's possible the Trump campaign outmarketed Harris.

Winners and losers include Goldfish Crackers and the Nomad Capitalist.

Rants and raves include ChatGPT Search and the Content Creator/Influencer.

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This week's links:

A Trump Second Term

Will Trump Ban TikTok?

Goldfish Crackers and Marketing

The Nomad Capitalist

ChatGPT Search

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

A continuing story on the content gaps available in local news. With more people trusting businesses than ever before, could this be the biggest content marketing opportunity in history?

In other news, The Washington Post makes a horrible strategic decision to kill endorsements, costing them over 200,000 subscribers.

Microsoft, Google and Apple report incredible earnings on the back of AI.

And young TikTok influencers are finding it hard to maintain a real life while being an online content creator. Is the worst to come?

Winners and losers include Strauss and the Dallas Cowboys.

Rants and raves include another newsletter acquisition and ghost jobs.

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This week's links:

Washington Posts Kills Endorsements

Local News Content Gap

Microsoft Earnings Grow

TikTok High School Influencers

The NFL Goes Simpsons

Strauss Sponsorship with MLB

Another Newsletter Acquisition

Ghost Jobs

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys go deep into CMI's 2025 content marketing research report.

While the results look pretty similar to last year's report, Joe and Robert offer some prescriptions for 2025 content marketing strategies, including:

  • Think more local in 2025
  • Who's your "with"?
  • Paid promotion of content for the win
  • Less is more
  • Time to kill some things
  • Let's get risky in 2025

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys are back with breaking news. Semrush, the online visibility company, purchases Search Engine Land and MarTech (plus all the conferences). Is this the start of acquisition season?

Americans' trust in media sinks to an all-time low. Or did it? Actually, there's a big opportunity for content marketers here.

TikTok's own research reveals it's hurting kids. What are we going to do about it?

And author James Patterson launches a new channel on, of all places, Substack.

Winners and losers include Nick Chubb, Apple's killing of social apps and content creator deaths.

Rants and raves include Steven Pressfield and an AI article.

This week's links:

Semrush Acquires Third Door Media

Americans' Trust at All-Time Low

TikTok's Horrible New Research

James Patterson Launches Substack

Nick Chubb Tells All

Did Apple Kill Social Apps?

Content Creator Falls to Death

AI Is Going to Kill Advertising

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Joe and Robert unpack Google's NotebookLM and how the AI audio machine has taken over the internet. Listen to the sample and see if you think it's usable.

In other Google news, the DOJ is trying to break up Google into smaller pieces for better competition. This happens at the same time Google is losing its strength in the search market.

And someone used Meta's glasses to instantly dox strangers. Should we be scared? Yes...yes we should.

Winners and losers include Mountain Dew and Wordpress.

Rants and raves include TikTok and CMI's latest benchmark study.

This week's links:

Google's Notebook LM

Google Faces the DOJ

Google's Domination as Search Leader Going Away?

Meta's Glasses Used to Dox Strangers

Mountain Dew's New Brand

WordPress Community In Trouble?

TikTok Sued Again

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

A special episode of This Old Marketing where Joe and Robert answer AI and content marketing questions from some of the world leaders of marketing. 

Find your answers to content marketing spending, how AI is affecting content marketing, advice for new marketers, how to handle a personal brand in a business, how much to invest into internal content creators and much, much more.

Special thanks to our marketing experts:

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Our old friend Leon rolls back another X feature and the haters go crazy. At the same time, X releases their Global Transparency Report (which is anything but transparent).

The New York Times unveils a plan to sell audio subscriptions via Apple Music and Spotify. The boys aren't sure the plan has merit (uh, data concerns anyone?).

And The Onion creates a membership program with a print newspaper at the center. Joe is very happy about this.

Winners and losers include Tim Walz and LinkedIn's AI rollout.

Rants and raves include new books from Brian Piper and Pam Didner and a Dreamforce appearance from John Mulaney.

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This week's links:

X and Blocked Users

X's Global Transparency Report

New York Times to Sell Pod Subs

Why the Onion Launched a Membership Program

Tim Walz's YouTube Show

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

OpenAI launches the "Strawberry" version within ChatGPT claiming better reasoning and complex thinking. Joe and Robert take it to the test.

TikTok heads back to court with a January 19th ban date looming. Joe predicts what will happen.

And Instagram launches a version for teens only. Is it enough?

Finally, MrBeast "leaks" his personal YouTube production manual. Is there gold within?

Winners and losers include Sun Studio and the 2024 Content Marketing Award winner.

Rants and raves include MAICON's headsets and CMI's marketing career study.

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This week's links:

OpenAI's Strawberry Is Scary Good at Deception

TikTok Goes to Court

Inst Launches Teen Accounts

MrBeast's Playbook Uncovered

MrBeast: How to Succeed at YouTube Playbook

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this special episode, Joe and Robert talk about the future of AI in marketing and how each of them use AI for both content creation and marketing ideation.

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Mark Zuckerberg says the Biden Administration pressured Facebook to censor COVID comments while Elon Musk gets X banned in Brazil.

In better news, the Kelce brothers land a $100 million dollar deal with Amazon. The boys talk about how the licensing model has changed in just the past two years.

Winners and losers include Mammoth Cave National Park and Yelp.

Rants and raves include LEGO and Adweek.

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Zuck's Words Against Biden

Brazil Bans X

Kelce's Deal with Amazon

Mammoth Cave on Facebook

Yelp's Case Against Google

Search Fragmentation on Adweek

LEGO's Big Jump

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

We have all the answers for what's going to happen in the NFL this year. This special episode includes:

  1. 2024 New Kickoff Rules
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  3. Super Bowl and Who Wins
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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys review how the DNC has courted creators and developed "content moments" that are going viral.

Chick-Fil-A just launched a streaming strategy and Procreate vows to never leverage generative AI.

Wins and losses include the Savannah Bananas and Snoop Dogg.

Rants and raves include Robert's take on DNC creators while Joe talks about the NSYNC and Deadpool integration.

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The DNC Finally "Gets" Content

Chick-Fil-A Launches Streaming Service

Procreate Says No to Gen AI

Snoop & Solo Brands Make Up

Bananas Ink TV Deal

NSYNC Takes Off w/Deadpool Integration

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

While X continues to sue advertisers and launch products in chaos, Reddit has risen to the top of the social media sandlot (with the help of Google).

Winners and losers include Heineken NA and the Queensland Symphony Orchestra.

Rants and raves include the Savannah Bananas and surveillance pricing.

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X Calls for Ad Industry Reset

Ad Group Dismantles

Xai launches Chaotic Image Generator

Publishers Flock to Reddit

Heineken's Partnership with US Open Tennis

Symphony Orchestra's Bad AI Play

WTF Is Surveillance Pricing?

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In a desperation move, X decides the best way to get advertisers back to the platform is to sue them.

In obvious news, a judge rules that Google is an illegal monopoly. The boys talk about what the repercussions are with this ruling, and what Apple's role will be.

Speaking of Google (and X), Google ads seem to be popping up on Elon's platform. Curious indeed.

In winners and losers, the Harris campaign is kicking butt on social while the Army fails with The Rock.

In rants and raves, Robert changes his mind on the Olympics and Joe thinks the next wave of content marketing is internal creators.

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Google Is a Monopoly

X Files Suit Against Advertisers

Google Ads End Up on X

Kamala Social Media Masterclass

The Army Fails with The Rock

The Olympics and TikTok

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this episode the boys cover an incredible content marketing case study in New York's largest hospital system.

Reddit is now blocking big search engines who want its unique content...unless they pay up (which they will).

And Elon is being Elon, violating his own content policy on X. Here we go again.

Hits and misses include Bandit Running and Flavor Flav.

Rants and raves include James Patterson and Google's new AI ad.

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Reddit Blocks Search Engines

Elon Musk Violates X Policy

Northwell Health Content Marketing Studio

Bandit's Unsponsored Project

Flavor Flav and US Water Polo

Google's Dumb AI Ad

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

At long last, Google seems to do a 180 on its third-party cookie policy. What does this mean for marketers and advertisers?

META introduces Llama 3 for developers, apparently giving away its AI technology and investment for free. Could this be for real or is it a Zuckerberg trick?

And does Spotify use podcasts for loyalty first?

Hits and misses include Deadpool and Heinz and Informa's purchase of the Cannes Festival.

Rants and raves include British Airways and Field & Stream magazine.

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Google Leaves Cookie Policy

Llama 3.1 Launch

Spotify's Bet on Podcasts

Informa Buys Cannes

Heinz Partners with Deadpool

Country Music Stars Buy Field & Stream

British Airways Flight Video

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

This week Taboola does a big deal with Apple to sell their advertising space. Great for Taboola, but what does this message for Apple?

Dax Shepard does an $80 million dollar podcast deal with Amazon. Is Amazon going after Spotify and YouTube for podcast dominance?

And CMO's are under huge pressure, as stated by the latest research. Are we actually in a marketing recession?

Rants and raves include VidCon Baltimore and StickerMule.

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Ken Griffin Buys Dinosaur

Taboola to Sell Apple Ads

Dax Shepard Does Deal with Amazon's Wondery

CMOs Under Pressure

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Has the content creator/influencer business model gone bearish? Glamour seems to think so. We  disagree.

The Paramount/Skydance deal is finally done...we think.

Spotify is beginning to court more video podcasts. Is it working in their fight against YouTube?

And BusinessWeek has a 120-page print issue on the way. Does this mean a new opportunity in print?

Wins and losses include ArtBotAI and Mohawk Chevy. Rants and raves include Trump speaking at the Bitcoin Conference and AI spammers.

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Power Slap and Dana White

Paramount Skydance Deal

Spotify's Continuing Shift to Video

Influencers Aren't Getting Famous Like They Used To

BusinessWeek's Print Move

Mohawk Chevy on TikTok

ArtBotAI

Trump to Speak at Bitcoin Conference

The Rise of AI Content

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

A special condensed episode of This Old Marketing. We cover the latest supreme court decision on social media. Good decision or more of the same?

And do the brand new rules of marketing and advertising include content marketing? If content marketing becomes marketing, what happens to the discipline?

Rants and raves include mxmtoon and research from Meta and Kantar.

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Supreme Court Sends Social Media Back to States

Brand New Rules of Advertising

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Research from Meta and Kantar

One Million Checkboxes

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In breaking news, the Supreme Court is allowing the White House to press social media companies to remove disinformation. Did this really need to go to court in the first place?

Time strikes a deal with OpenAI, while the recording industry files suit against Suno AI and Uncharted Labs citing copyright infringement.

And...have we learned anything from moving text to video online?

Hits and misses include the Verizon logo and the Toys R Us commercial produced with OpenAI.

Rants and raves include the Olympics and AI forgetting to read the room.

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This week's links:

Supreme Court Ruling on Social Media

Time Strikes Deal with OpenAI

Recording Industry Sues Sona

We Learned the Wrong Lessons from Video

Verizon's New Logo

Toys R Us's AI Ad

Al Michaels' AI Voice at the Olympics

AI Execs Forget to Read the Room

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

While Wells Fargo is into employee surveillance, the US Surgeon General pushes for a warning on social media much like those on cigarette packages.

Forbes threatens Perplexity with legal action, while TikTok debuts humanlike AI-generated avatars for advertising.

Hits and misses include Oscar Mayer and American Express.

Rants and raves include indie print and the Cannes Lions award winners.

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Wells Fargo Fires Employees

Surgeon General and Social Media

Forbes Threatens Perplexity

TikTok Debuts AI Ad Features

Oscar Mayer Bacon Ad

Cannes Lions 2024

High-End Indie Print Publications

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Apple's big developer conference meeting saw the launch of IOS 18 and Apple Intelligence? Apple decided to partner with OpenAI and not Google for their AI integration. Is this a big miss for Google Gemini? 

Plus, Adobe and Meta have big terms and conditions issues this week.

Hits and misses include OpenAI, Google and Nathan's hot dogs.

Rants and raves include "Infectious Generosity" by Chris Anderson and yet another AI content marketing launch.

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Adobe's Missed Terms

Adobe's Apology

META's content problems with Europe

Apple Intelligence Is Launched

Joey Chestnut and Nathan's Hot Dogs

AI Content Marketing Agent

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Twitter/X leans into NSFW content and vertical video. Is this the sign of a turnaround or more desperate measures to stay alive? Robert and Joe take opposite sides and fight, fight, fight.

Spotify's CEO makes comments about the cost of content being almost nothing. Should we care or should we boycott?

Hits include Four Seasons and 10 Cent Beer night.

Rants and raves include signals from Marcus Sheridan and Suits.

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Twitter's New NSFW Strategy

Twitter/X Will Do Vertical Video

Spotify CEO Is Out of Touch

Facebook Going After Gen Z

10 Cent Beer Night - Craig Irons

Four Seasons PR Win

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Big news this week as leaked Google search API documents are released into the world. The TLDR? Google has been lying about how it formulates search results. What do we know? Google manipulates content like an editor of a media company would. But does it even matter?

AI scams are hitting a tipping point as we get closer to the US elections.

OpenAI inks two more content deals and Elon raises money for xAI.

Hits and misses include a home appliance store and Cheez-Its. 

Rants and raves include marketing agencies and GaryVee's commencement speech.

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The Google API Document Leak

Celebs Getting AI Scammed

Atlantic/Vox Ink Deal with OpenAI

Elon Raises $6 Billion for xAI

HBR Recognizes Creator Economy

Home Appliance Sales and Service

Marketing Agencies as Consultants

GaryVee's Commencement Address

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

While the world gets distracted by Scarlett Johansson's possible case against OpenAI, the AI giant continues to do deals with media companies. 

This time, Open AI signed a deal with News Corp (owners of WSJ) for $250 million over five years (reported). Who's next?

Trump Media's quarterly reported was more than a disaster, and yet the stock keeps going up.

And we have a nice disagreement about whether Chick-fil-A should embrace or fire their internal social media influencers. 

Hits and misses include GaryVee's new book and Coca-Cola lens.

Rants and raves include content marketing platforms and a nice rave for the Cleveland Guardians baseball team.

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OpenAI vs. Black Widow

OpenAI Signs Deal

Trump Media Report

Social Influencers and what to do

Coca-Cola Lens

GaryVee's Book Trailer

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

A special live recording of Joe and Robert with Philip Hernandez from the Haunted Attraction Network, recorded at Content Entrepreneur Expo (CEX) in Cleveland, Ohio on May 5th. Philip goes into detail about how he thinks about and creates content for the network, including the challenges and opportunities in social media content creation.

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 11:25am EST

It was another crazy week in AI news.

On the heals of Google's AI announcement, OpenAI launches ChatGPT4 Omni (o). What does the new iteration mean for creators and marketers?

If that wasn't enough, TikTok is upgrading its algorithm with AI. Thank you (not so much).

And is the beef between Kendrick and Drake real? We think it's marketing.

Hits and misses include John Mulaney's new show and Prof G's podcast strategy.

Rants and raves include OEF's 100 Holes of Golf model and more on MarTech cuts.

This week's links:

OpenAI Releases Omni

TikTok Is Testing AI in Algo

The Drake/Kendrick Beef

John Mulaney's New Show

Prof G Markets Podcast

OEF's 100 Holes of Golf

MarTech Spending Falls

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In the latest social media soap opera, TikTok has sued the US Government over its potential "ban," bringing out the unconstitutional card. Is this just a stalling tactic? Yes...and it's working.

More money is flowing into the creator economy after big product successes from MrBeast and Logan Paul. But will the new algo changes be the end of big content creators?

And Hollywood continues to lack standards with AI. Is it simply too late?

Hits and misses include CEX and Joe Biden.

Rants and raves include Instagram and Meta.

This week's links:

TikTok Sues the US Government

MrBeast and Logal Paul Lead Creator Movement

Hollywood and AI

2024 Marketing Technology Landscape

Meta to Provide Advertisers with Auto Images

Instagram on Algo Change

 

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Joe and Robert do a deep dive into their CEX presentations...Joe's on the new business model for content creators and Robert's on the marketing MBA.

In the news, Instagram launches a new program that will highlight new content creators. They make it sound amazing. The problem is that this will hurt full-time content creators and content marketers.

Hits this week include Adidas and Phish (at the Sphere). Rants and raves include the trouble with books and third-party cookies.

This week's links:

Instagram and Twitch Roll Out New Algos

Amazon's Killer Quarterly Numbers

Adidas to Overinvest in Marketing

Phish at the Sphere

No One Buys Books

Yes, People Still Buy Books

Google's Cookie Delay

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In a whirlwind week on The Hill, a TikTok ultimatum (sell or be banned) passed the House, the Senate and was quickly signed by the President. What happens now?

META's quarterly results were outstanding...and then the stock dropped 20 percent. What happened?

Taylor Swift does her own deal with TikTok, making the executive team at UMG furious. Is this something for creators and marketers to follow?

Hits and misses include Cedar Point and Google.

Rants and raves include a big rant against Telsa marketing and an important reminder social media from Jay Clouse.

This week's links:

Biden Signs Bill Against TikTok

TikTok's Creator Economy Stares Into the Abyss

META Announces Earnings...Stock Sinks

Taylor Swift Goes Direct with TikTok

Google Fires Protesters

Cedar Point's Content Creators

Tesla's No Marketing Move

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

John Deere's search for a new social media creator leads to an important conversation - are corporate social media handles dead?

Faced with possibly paying for the news, Google starts removing links to California news sites for some users. And the winner for the dumb move of the year goes to...

The VC market for creator startups is up the the first time in multiple quarters, while a group of TikTok influencers send a nasty gram to Joe Biden.

Hits and misses include Dove and AI and Caitlin Clark on SNL.

Rants and raves include gaming Spotify and the Chief Marketing Officer tenure.

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Google Won't Pay for News

John Deere Hunts for Chief Tractor Officer

Creator Startups and VCs

TikTok Influencers Send Letter to Joe Biden

Dove and AI

SNL and Caitlin Clark

CMO Tenures

Spotify and SEO

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Could marketers finally be waking up to the advantages of direct print? The relaunch of some high-profile magazines, and the launch of Robinhood's new print magazine leads our discussion.

In other news, Alphabet is reportedly looking at acquiring Hubspot and a new privacy bill is being drafted in Congress.

And...is synthetic AI training data setting us up for disaster?

Hits and misses include Jack Conte and Suno.ai. Rants and raves include creators Kelsey Russell and Andrew Huberman.

And Joe's new book is out...get a copy here: https://www.joepulizzi.com/books/content-entrepreneur/

This week's links:

Women's NCAA Ratings Bonanza

Google/Hubspot Deal

New Privacy Bill

Nylon Re-launches in Print

Robinhood Creates Media Arm

Tech Giants and AI Training Data

Jack Conte's SXSW Presentation - The Death of the Follower

Kelsey Russell and Print Newspapers

Crisis Communications and Alex Huberman

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Robert and Joe run through the business books that have made the most impact on their lives and careers. They include:

  • Marketing Management – Philip Kotler
  • Discovery Driven Growth  – Rita Gunther McGrath
  • Different – Youngme Moon
  • How Will You Measure Your Life – Clayton Christensen
  • Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance – Robert Pirsig
  • Think & Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill
  • Seven Habits of Highly Effective People - Stephen Covey
  • Stranger in a Strange Land - Robert Heinlein
  • IMC: Integrated Marketing Communication - Don Schultz
  • David & Goliath - Malcolm Gladwell

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

News this week as Florida governor Ron DeSantis signs a law restricting social media access for children. Is this the first step to full-on social media verification or just another fruitless attempt to tell people how to parent?

Trump's Truth Social goes public and hits meme stock territory. How long with the party last?

Spotify adds video learning to its platform. Is YouTube in Spotify's sights?

And print is back baby!

Hits and misses include a Ryan's World movie and Comscore. Rants and raves include rants against Accenture and Meta's Threads.

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This week's links:

Florida Age-Gating Law

Trump's Truth Social Meme Stock

Truth Social's Revenue Problem

Spotify Adds Video Learning

Print On the Move

Pew Research on Print

Comscore Deal

Ryan's World Movie

Accenture and Adobe AI Release

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Direct download: 421.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this special episode #420, Joe and Robert dissect the upcoming Apple/Google deal for AI and the iPhone. Is this a sign of weakness for Apple or are they just buying time?

OpenAI's chatbot store is filling up with spam. Are you surprised?

And a group of publishing experts launch Authors Equity to give more rights back to authors. Uh, we don't think so.

Hits and misses include Liquid Death and Coca-Cola.

Rants and raves includes a full overview of the TikTok banning bill and why it's harder to become a creator today.

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This week's links:

Don Lemon Pivot Interview

Apple and Google to Partner on AI

OpenAI Spam

New Publishing Model Isn't Great

It's Harder to Become a Creator Today

No TikTok Bill

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Direct download: 420.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

We are in post-social media and, now, a post-search environment. The next 12 months are critical to start getting your content assets in order for the AI Content wave.

The House passes a bill that could lead to a TikTok ban. Uh, we told you so. But does it really matter?

Google's Gemini AI refuses to answer political questions (among other things). This leads to a conversation on how AI Truth is coordinated and what we can do about it.

MrBeast tells everyone to slow down a bit...that less content is more. Thank you sir!

And OpenAI starts doing publisher deals. Hello Google circa 2002.

Hits and misses include Kate Middleton and Da'Vine Joy Randolph.

Rants and raves include Kara Swisher's new book (rant) and the quote by Sam Altman heard round the world.

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This week's links:

TikTok House Ban

Google Gemini Is Mum on Elections

MrBeast Slows Down

OpenAI Publisher Deals

Sam Altman and 95 Percent Quote

Da'Vine's Oscar Speech

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this special #ThisOldMarketing episode, Joe and Robert review their presentations from Social Media Marketing World 2024.

Robert shares his insights, including:

  • The Value of Relationships
  • The Product Content Mindset
  • The Point of View Architecture
  • The Trust Exercise - Audit Your Experiences

Joe runs through his secrets for content marketing success, including:

  • Building the Base
  • The Content Tilt
  • Acquiring Content Assets
  • Creators over Content
  • Pillar Content Projects
  • The NEW Print Opportunity
  • Email, Email, Email
  • The Content Revenue Model

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Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Another media company bites the dust. This time it's the once-darling Vice Media.

Is the news media business model broken or is there something else at work here?

A big supreme court case involving social media moderation is being reviewed by SCOTUS. Could it happen? We'll see this summer.

Is Google on death row? It's clear the product is getting worse. Will ChatGPT come to the rescue?

And Tyler Perry shelves his studio project because of Sora.

Hits and misses include Bitcoin and Air Canada.

Rants and raves involve the fractional CMO and a Florida law banning social media usage for youngsters.

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This week's links:

Supreme Court Social Media Case

Vice Media Shutting Down

Is Google Search Dying?

Tyler Perry Shelves Studio

Air Canada Is Stupid

The Fractional CMO

Florida Lawmakers Pass Social Law

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Direct download: 417.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

It's been a crazy two weeks for artificial intelligence.

OpenAI officially launched Sora, the text-to-video tool. At the same time, Google launched their AI-version of Gemini inside workplace.

Is podcasting really a racket? Maybe it's just more of the same.

Hits and misses include Paramount's bad timing and Nvidia's HUGE quarter.

Rants and raves includes the NYTime's ad tool and Billy Joel's new AI video.

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OpenAI Launches Sora

Google Launches Gemini

The Podcast Business is a Racket

Paramount Lays off 800

Nvidia Booms with AI

NYTimes AI Ad Tool

Billy Joel's New AI Video

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Direct download: 416.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

In this special Blossom episode of This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert discuss the insights and secrets into creating a profitable content brand, for both content marketing and content creator goals.

Topics discussed include:

  • How to truly differentiate and grow an audience
  • How to create a content tilt
  • Do you build or buy?
  • Focus on creator, brand or content brand?
  • and many more content marketing insights

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Direct download: 415.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

The boys discuss Joe Rogan's new content deal with Spotify. Is this the future of podcast and YouTube deals, or is this just for the one percenters? Also, how should a brand approach this kind of deal?

Meta will label AI images across all their properties. Is this just a point in time or will it have lasting impact?

In addition, Meta cut off Facebook to developers. Like we didn't see that coming.

In hits and misses, Robert praises L'Oreal and misses on Taylor and the right. Joe hits on Spotify and audiobooks, and misses on Grant Cardone's new magazine.

Rants and raves include Billy Joel and B2B companies lack of big ideas.

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Joe Rogan Deal with Spotify

Is Content Exclusivity Over?

Meta to Label AI Images

Facebook Cuts Out Developers

L'Oreal Hits Big

Taylor Swift Outrage

Billy Joel Writes Again

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Direct download: 414.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Big tech CEOs ran to Washington to explain why they haven't protected US children.

YouTube and TikTok continue to dominate and grow in profit and usage. Is it imperative that all companies market on these channels today?

And George Carlin and Taylor Swift deepfakes dominate the news. Is there anything we can do about them or have we unleashed Pandora's box.

Rants and raves include small audience wins and a new place for the chief marketing officer.

This week's links:

Elmo's Wellness Check

Social Media Execs Explain Behavior to Congress

YouTube Revenues Soar

TikTok Usage Way Up

George Carlin Lawsuit

X Blocks Taylor Swift Search

UPS Scraps CEO

TikTok Usage Up with Minors

The State of the Creator Economy [Report]

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Direct download: 413.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST

Netflix Q4 earnings show how far the company is ahead in the streaming wars...plus...their licensing deal with WWE vaults them into a live-events leadership position. So, what's next and what can we learn from their strategy?

Sports Illustrated is "mostly" dead. Here's a big opportunity for a brand like Nike or Under Armour to make a content marketing buy. Why isn't this happening more often?

And does the creator economy need a creators' union? The boys say no.

Rants and raves include Google finally killing off the cookie, while MrBeast goes to China.

This week's links:

Netflix Rocks Earnings

SI Almost Dead

Do We Need a Creators' Union?

G/O Media In Trouble

Google Finally Killing Cookies

MrBeast Goes to China

B.J. Novak Headlining Content Entrepreneur Expo (CEX) 2024

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Direct download: 412.mp3
Category:Content Marketing -- posted at: 4:00am EST